Agenda and minutes

Licensing Committee - Thursday, 14th January, 2010 7.00 pm

Venue: Council Chamber - Hammersmith Town Hall. View directions

Contact: David Bays  (Tel: 020 8753 2628)

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Minutes pdf icon PDF 46 KB

To approve as an accurate record, and the Chairman to sign, the minutes of the meeting of the Committee held on 6 December 2007.





The minutes of the meeting held on 7 December 2007be confirmed and signed as an accurate record of the proceedings.


Apologies for Absence


Apologies for absence were received from Councillors Aherne, Dickenson, Donovan, Ivimy, Robson, and Scott-Russell.


Declarations of Interest

If a Councillor has any prejudicial or personal interest in a particular report he/she should declare the existence and nature of the interest at the commencement of the consideration of the item or as soon as it becomes apparent.


At meetings where members of the public are allowed to be in attendance and speak, any Councillor with a prejudicial interest may also make representations, give evidence or answer questions about the matter. The Councillor must then withdraw immediately from the meeting before the matter is discussed and any vote taken, unless a dispensation has been obtained from the Standards Committee.


Where members of the public are not allowed to be in attendance, then the Councillor with a prejudicial interest should withdraw from the meeting whilst the matter is under consideration, unless the disability has been removed by the Standards Committee.



There were no declarations of interest.


Review of Appeals and Case Law Update

A review of Appeals and a Case Law Update will be the subject of a presentation at the meeting.


Jon Gorst, Principal Environmental Services Lawyer, gave the Committee a verbal briefing on Legal Services’ involvement with the Licensing Committee and the Licensing Service. He said that Legal Services had involvement in advising on applications received, advising Sub-Committees when they were reaching their decisions, and in defending the Council’s decisions when they were appealed, and advising the Council was taken to judicial review.


With regard to case law, there had been few significant changes to case law since the Committee’s last meeting (in December 2007). The most significant was the Thwaites case, which had had particular implications for the status and application of Section 182 Guidance, and on the reasoning used when applying conditions.


With regard to appeals made against decisions of the Licensing Sub-Committee, there had been 9 appeals made since the last Committee meeting (in December 2007). The Council had won a majority of the appeals brought, and won orders for costs in some cases. However, as appeals to the magistrates court gave applications a re-hearing, determined applicants could always bring an appeal, even though the Sub Committee’s decision had been sound and well-supported.


Alex Russell, Environmental Services Lawyer, informed the Committee of recent appeals that had been of particular interest and relevancy. With regard to one case, he noted how the appellant had used the time between the initial sub-committee decision and their appeal to reduce the quantity of anti-social behaviour and disruption occurring at the premises, and, in so doing, secured the terms they had sought at the Sub-Committee hearing.


Other examples given included an application to open a lap-dancing venue. The application had been highly controversial, and the Council had received almost a thousand representations against it. Many of the representations, however, had been on moral grounds. The Sub Committee cannot take morality into consideration, and had had to reach its decision on the basis of the law alone; an appeal against the decision subsequently failed.


The Committee also heard an account of a personal licence application that the Sub-Committee had refused, and the subsequent appeal against its decision. The Magistrate had upheld the Sub-Committee’s decision. Officers also described how Section 182 Guidance had been applied, noting that only the Police could object to an application, and then only when the applicant had been convicted of a relevant offence; these restrictions were under review.


Councillor Karmel asked whether appeals could be positive, allowing the Council and other bodies who had made representations to submit more evidence. Officers agreed that this could be the case, but added that licensees often behaved differently when under scrutiny.



The report be noted.



Licensing Review 2009 pdf icon PDF 31 KB

The Review will be the subject of a presentation from officers. The presentation will include discussion of the Council’s Gambling Policy and of the Council’s Cumulative Impact Area (Fulham) Policy. Reports on both, which had previously been considered by the Local Neighbourhoods Scrutiny Committee, are attached for information.

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Oliver Sanandres, Safety and Licensing Manager, Adrian Overton, Licensing Officer, and Lisa White, Licensing Officer, gave a presentation that updated the Committee on developments in licensing since its last meeting in December 2007.


Officers began by describing the development of the Licensing Service in that period. These included the introduction of an online service, both for applicants and for interested parties, the achievement of ISO9001 accreditation and an increased focus on licensing enforcement, with night-time working, and monitoring of Temporary Event Notices (TEN).


With regard to licensing enforcement, Councillors asked why sub-committees did not see the results of Licensing Officers’ inspection findings at Sub-Committee hearings. It was clarified that, at Sub Committee Hearings, the Licensing Officer’s role was to present the application and the representations received about it; inspection was done primarily after licences had been granted, to ensure that the conditions of the licence were being met.


Officers also described a variety of joint working undertaken with the police, with whom a Memorandum of Understanding had been prepared for signature. Joint working included the Licensing Service’s development of a training package for Hammersmith and Fulham police, which had later been adopted by the Home Office for national use; and the Service and the Police had also collaborated in the Safer London problem solving competition, and received third place.


The Licensing Service also worked closely with the Drug and Alcohol Team on promotional activities; coordinated the Pub Watch schemes within the borough; whilst also regularly attended meetings of Residents’ Associations. With regard to the challenges facing the Licensing Service, debt recovery was identified as a particular problem, as, under the terms of the Licensing Act 2003, unpaid licence fees had to be pursued as a civil debt.


Other key areas of activity included the creation of the Cumulative Impact Policy for Fulham, which had required considerable supporting research, and the new Gambling Policy, which had fully incorporated the Government guidance into the policy. Future challenges identified included exploring a possible Cumulative Impact Area in Shepherds Bush, further engagement with the Police and retraining the Licensing Committee.


The Committee then received information on the number and variety of licensing applications received, including the number of applications heard by Sub-Committees; the figures showed that Fulham had had the greatest intensity of activity in the borough, which was reflected by the introduction of the Saturation Zone policy. The Committee also received figures on the quantity and type of enforcement activity undertaken by the Licensing Service, and on prosecutions made as a result.


Officers then outlined recent or upcoming changes to Licensing Law. These included a simplified process for applications for variation in a licence, an exemption for community premises from the designated premises legislation, the introduction of new regulations on prize gaming, and new powers to make drinking banning orders and to introduce alcohol disorder zones. It was also proposed that the Licensing Authority would qualify as an Interested Party, though more guidance on this was awaited, and that the period in  ...  view the full minutes text for item 5.